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abstract indexed · arXiv 2608.10823 · updated 2026-10-18

MoE Proxy Models for Low-Cost Failure Reproduction and Diagnosis in LLM RL Post-Training

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Replaces reproducing post-training RL failures on a large MoE model with a smaller proxy built by cluster-based expert pruning that preserves the backbone, routing, and basic capabilities. Constructing and validating the proxy takes work, and failures depending on scale or removed experts may not transfer. The target use is debugging training on Ascend platforms with dozens of NPUs, rather than small-scale inference.

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    Replaces reproducing post-training RL failures on a large MoE model with a smaller proxy built by cluster-based expert pruning that preserves the backbone, routing, and basic capabilities. Constructing and validating the proxy takes work, and failures depending on scale or removed experts may not transfer. The target use is debugging training on Ascend platforms with dozens of NPUs, rather than small-scale inference.

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    Reports 50%-87.5% fewer accelerators and up to 33.3x lower NPU-hour cost per step while preserving training dynamics and reproducing failures of the original model.

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